Conservative Con: Bernie Goldberg Makes Bogus Statements in an Online Chat

By Eric Jaffa, Monday, August 29, 2005

Bernie Goldberg

Bernie Goldberg, author of "100 People Who are Screwing Up America (And Al Franken is #37)," wrote in an online chat Thursday:

Once liberals looked up to JFK. Now they look up to Michael Moore.

I could reply:

Once conservatives looked up to Dwight Eisenhower. Now they look up to Rush Limbaugh.

Of course, neither statement makes sense.

Presidents are one thing, commentators are another thing. There were conservative commentators and liberal commentators in the 1950s/1960s, too. John Forbes Kerry was as JFK-like a presidential candidate as the Democrats could have nominated in the past election.

Bernie Goldberg claimed during the chat that he's an "old fashioned liberal." I'd sooner believe that Bernie Goldberg is the King of Sweden.

Self-descriptions are cheap. If he's an old-fashioned liberal, why isn't Bernie Goldberg speaking up for liberal causes instead of trashing people who do?*

Fox News host Bill O'Reilly calls himself a "traditionalist" to try to distinguish himself from other conservatives and achieve quasi-neutrality. Bernie Goldberg is trying the same.

Also from the Washington Post online chat with Bernie Goldberg:

Geneva, Ohio: Are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney on your list? It would seem in view of the debacle they've involved the country in Iraq they should be at the top of your list.

Bernard Goldberg: I've heard this a lot, and understand your point. But the book is about the culture. It is not about politics. The few politicians in the book are there, NOT because of how they voted on this issue or that, but because of something else they've done -- something uncivil, for example. We may disagree with George Bush on policy, but I think he's a decent man.

If the book is about civility and not politcs, it's a helluva coincidence that the book knocks critics of George W. Bush to such an extent.

The #1 on Bernie Goldberg's list, Michael Moore, directed a popular movie critical of George W. Bush last year; Al Franken, who is mentioned in the title "100 People Who are Screwing Up America (And Al Franken is #37)" regularly criticizes George W. Bush on his radio show.

Either it's a coincidence, or Bernie Goldberg is lying.

Regarding Bernie Goldberg's claim that under a standard of who-is-civil, George W. Bush doesn't belong on the list:

George W. Bush isn't civil. It's not civil for a leader who took the nation to war over wmd, to make jokes about wmd, as Bush did at a dinner on March 24, 2004 (video).

John Kery called Bush's jokes "stunningly cavalier".

* - Nothing would be wrong with speaking out for liberal causes and also criticizing liberals when they deserve it. But aside from mentioning that he's for Freedom of Speech during an interview with Jon Stewart, I haven't observed Bernie Goldberg, who claims to be an "old-fashioned liberal," speaking out for liberal causes.

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1. You guys just don't understand that we have a very, very good president. Further, though impossible to prove, I guarantee that if Bush never entered Iraq, the far left minority of this country would find something else to lay on him. Gee, what a shame he didn't drop his drawers with an employee and, oh yeah, lie to a grand jury and just about anybody else he could find... Comment above by Joe,  Pa,  August 29, 2005 3:08 PM

2. Joe- We seem to agree. I also think it's a shame that George W. Bush started a disastrous war instead of having extramarital sex and lying to a grand jury. Comment above by Eric Jaffa,  moveleft.com,  August 29, 2005 5:34 PM

3. Right On Eric! I lomg for the days when the only thing our president did wrong was molest women, trade weapons secrests for campaign money, or leave a trail of bodies that made John Gotti look like nursery school teacher. Oh, how I long for the glory days! Comment above by Mark Marco (wayne.barrow@comcast.net),  Tuba City, Califoria,  August 30, 2005 9:10 AM

4. Eric, I totally agree with you. Bernard Goldberg would be absolutely nothing if he hadn't been given the opportunity and visibility of a job as a field correspondent for CBS News, but then he turned on them when he felt it was convenient and wrote this first screed called "Bias" full of charges he laid out in a book but didn't bring to the attention of the people he was accusing. If I cared enough about Goldberg, I would ask him if he ever bothered to actually see "Fahrenheit 9/11" before he decided that Michael Moore somehow is ruining this country more than anyone else. Goldberg is another bought-and-paid-for journo under Bushco, and that's it. Comment above by Ed H. (ldsy_Real@yahoo.com),  http://liberaldoomsayer.blogspot.com/,  Bucks County, PA,  August 30, 2005 10:04 AM

5. Michael Moore SUCKS. There is no two ways to look at him, he is vermin. I have never seen Farenheit 9/11 and I never will. When he used the Columbine shootings to frame his goal of blame storming any situation I decided he was just another person who fels that no matter what happens to you... someone else is to blame. He, like so many others, is excellent at armchair quarterbacking every event. All of us would agree that it is certainly easy to predict the future and manage events after they have happened. Now lets talk about WMDs. What were those things that Iraq launched at Isreal during the Gulf war? Oh that's right! WMDs!!! ANd then for 10 years the nasty raghead refused to allow open inpsections. All of the politicians agreed that he had WMD's. Move on to a new subject. Comment above by Mark S (markphxaz@yahoo.com),  Mesa, AZ,  August 30, 2005 9:30 PM

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7. Kidding! Bill didn't "off" his opponents, that's the least he could have done...get a library card and a sense of humor...work with me people.... Comment above by Mark Marco (wayne.barrow@comcast.net),  Tuba City, California,  August 31, 2005 12:22 AM

8. Bernie is a pimp. His writings since he left CBS have all been whining about the bad liberals. When he was on The Daily Show I thought he might redeem himself until I saw that no neocons or as I like to call them neofools were on his list. As for Mark S comments about wmd's, it is just too hard for conservatives to admit they screwed up. They had no plan and it will only get worst for them to defend their position. Comment above by gary43 (garego@hotmail.com),  Hurst, TX,  August 31, 2005 3:33 PM

9. C'mon Gary! NeoFools? That's all you got! I know you can do better, just take your time and think it through....and you're right about Bernie being a pimp. I can't believe he would write all those horrible things about a legitimate journalist like Dan Rather. What was he thinking! Comment above by Mark Marco (wayne.barrow@comcast.net),  Tuba City. California,  September 2, 2005 8:27 AM

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13. Post #9: "I can't believe he would write all those horrible things about a legitimate journalist like Dan Rather". You're joking, right? Dan Blather has been shown be a propagandist and a fraud. He retired with his tail between his legs, with what could have been a great journalistic career tarnished by his rabid bias and activism. Comment above by Patrick Stewart (pdstewart@gmail.com),  Chappaqua, NY,  September 6, 2005 10:35 AM

14. Ed, just like the reactionary democrat you are the first thing you do is attack Bernard Goldberg personally. What he said is absouletely true. And the difference between Kennedy and Moore is lightyears away than any difference between Eisenhower and Limbaugh (virtually none). There is no difference between the latter two, only Rush has a better sense of humor... Possibly. They are both extemely credible characters - easily passing the double-standard imposed on them by the liberals while have to back up everything he (Rush) says with facts. You learn this when you have a successful radio show, something liberals won't experience due to the fact that everything they believe is based on lies which crumble over time. Rush has stood the test of time. Kennedy, on the other hand, was a Conservative/Christian/Republican compared to Michael Moore. Isn't that obvious?!?! Yet you fools skip right over that huge discrepency without thought. There is a HUGE difference between the two analogys - _you MORONS! Comment above by James,  September 8, 2005 3:16 PM

15. Sorry to take your 'thunder' but I know I misspelled "absolutely" the first time. Now what? DuH... What about the point of my message. Anything but deal with the facts..You people are hopeless. Comment above by James,  September 8, 2005 3:23 PM

16. Yes Patrick, he was joking. It's called: Sarcasm... Just kidding. I'll admit though, I had to read it through a second time when I caught the sarcasm, and having read some of his other messages I was "aware" of his style. But you are right, Blather was a National disgrace (sorry, America noticed). Before the feminization of America occurred at the wimpers of the spineless by people like Blather, Moore, and the like, they would have been brought up on treason charges and face a firing squad. Don't you know? It's the new 'dissent.' Yeah, apparently people who never gave a thought to dissent previously now hypocriticly commit treason and treachery in the name of "dissent." "It's the latest thing...Everybody's doing it! Isn't that wonderful? Wow, we have really come a long way! Thank God for Benedict Arnold, who would we look to for hope? And damn those Christians for giving us freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, basically EVERYTHING good in this country! Damn them!!!! This way you get to go to all the 'cool' parties and not be looked down on as a bigot, racist, homophobe, sexist, etc. etc. Oh, I know Christians are the ones who have paved the way and fought and died for all of these things, but, it's just so last year." And I don't want to say every idea isn't equally valid.." Well, OK then...(To be continued...) Comment above by James,  September 8, 2005 3:49 PM

17. Oops, you got me. Since I included the homosexual along with all the rights bestowed on Americans as a direct result of Christian teachings and example, I guess that invalidates everything I said.... right. You wish punk. On the contrary, the homosexual was an oversight. A meaningless bump in the quest to truth. You're right in that Christians have not fought for homosexual rights, only their human rights and human diginaty...My bad. ("Yeah, you're bad!")Why is it that the only time you libs muster up enough nerve to use the terms "good and bad" you are exactly 180 degrees out of phase? Anyway, apparently college has only served to indoctrinate you people on the left to hate America, God, Jews, and Christians. Basically the lone outposts of freedom and civility in the world. And you come to this conclusion all while listening to your ghetto-ass jungle music....unbelievable. Comment above by James,  September 8, 2005 4:07 PM

18. I know, I know, I misspelled "dignity." "Yeah, you're stupid...DUh!" I can't compete with such intellect. Comment above by James,  September 8, 2005 4:13 PM

19. Uh, James, you are a racist, a sexist, and a homophobe. Stoptrying to force your ridiculous Xtian values on the rest of us! You probably think the Pledge of Allegiance should still be said in schools, don't you? What a reactionary, dinosaur, trogolodyte you are. Liberalism, Leftism, that's the wave of the future. What Ted Kennedy is saying now will be considered right wing in 20 years. The Liberals are winning. In 30 years you won't even have to think anymore beacuse Gov't will do it for you. You make $100, you pay $99 in taxes, but the good news is, everything is provided. Free healthcare, nice Gov't apartment. Of course you'll work at the job you are assigned to, and you'll like it. No deviation from the plan will be tolerated. It will be Leftist Nirvana!!! Comment above by Liberal Idiot (ibeadumbass@moveon.org),  San Fran, CA,  September 16, 2005 4:00 PM

20. Idiot- I'm glad you see the light. We just need to wait for uncle sam to send us a check and everything will be OK....It's the compassionate thing to do...(Marco rifles through his mailbox for his foodstamps..) Comment above by Mark Marco (wayne.barrow@comcast.net),  Tuba City, Ca,  September 17, 2005 10:36 PM

21. 19, 20: You're both right on. Hillarycare NOW! Hillary '08!!! Mother Cindy (Sheehan), I BELIEVE you!!! I can't wait for Michael Moore to come out with his next documentary. I think it should be all about Katrinagate!!! How the fact that we are having more and stronger hurricanes is Bush's fault. That the total breakdown of leadership in Louisiana is also BUSH's fault!!! It's ALL Bush's fault!!! Hillary in '08, Michael Moore in '16!!! Comment above by Moore Fan (donuts4all@yahoo.com),  New York, NY,  September 20, 2005 2:48 PM

22. Eric I noticed you only pointed out the things you wanted us to read. I guess you conviently "left out" the fact that Mr. Goldberg attacked several Conservatives including radio show host Michael Savage. Comment above by David,  September 26, 2005 3:25 AM

23. That is par for the course with liberals these days. They ALWAYS leave out the whole story. We are not supposed to notice I guess. Comment above by James,  October 5, 2005 8:32 PM

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